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MLM shills just don't give up (23/6/2012)
This week's conversation with a multi-level marketing scheme promoter. I felt I was being dragged deeper and deeper down a rabbit hole.
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:44:13 +0100
Subject: Your comment on my blog
From: Jenny Fletcher
You asked in a comment on my blog what happened to the Xocai business.
Did I? As far as I know the thirteenth word in your email is the first time I have ever seen the word "Xocai". Of course, it could simply be a case of it being so inconsequential that I have forgotten.
Remind me. Where is this blog of which you speak?
A number of things.
1. The US/GBP exchange rate changed so that it became prohibitively expensive to buy the product. The exchange rate is now a lot more favourable but I had to consider my finances at the time and those of my prospective customers.
2. I was not well. You can see that there are some big gaps in blog posts. I have suffered severe depression and been suicidal. Nothing to do with the business, and not prepared to discuss with you.
I'm sorry to hear that. I know people who have been through the same experience.
3. A member of Xocai in my upline tried to say that another business I was pursuing was against the rules. It was an entirely different product and not against the rules at all. I got a letter from Xocai legal department to prove it and she was removed from her position as a top UK representative. She concocted a hate campaign against me which did not help my depression. I really had no other option than to pull out.
As it is the job of the upline in any pyramid scheme to tell lies I am not surprised at this.
Thanks to the help of my local adult mental health services I am now a lot better and engaging in life and business again.
I looked at your site. The section on religion and creationism is very funny but I regret to say that the rest of the site is mostly ill informed trash. If you take the next logical step along your idea path, you will come to the conclusion that the Government and taxation systems of the free world are also pyramid schemes.
No, I would not. Didn't your upline tell you to mention General Motors, the usual example taught in MLM school?
Believe what you will, but your comments are not welcome on my blog.
Run away, then. It is typical of people involved in scams to want to suppress criticism. As MLM is a scam by definition participants don't necessarily know they are involved in fraud, but they are taught how to react to exposure.
Thank you. Have fun, but be aware that one day, a legal action against you for defamation WILL happen if you push the envelope too far in your criticism of the network marketing industry.
The network marketing industry is fraud from top to bottom. Deal with it. And who am I defaming? Most of the participants are innocent dupes who just happen to believe the lies told by salespeople.
Jenny Fletcher
Thank you for telling me about Xocai. I will be adding it to the list of MLM scams at my site in the next update. (And yes, for the pedants, "MLM scams" is a tautology.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:11:38 +0100
Subject: Re: Your comment on my blog
From: Jenny Fletcher
Mr Bowditch,
Don't be disingenuous. You know perfectly well which blog and which business.
No I don't, which is why I asked. As far as I know the first time I ever encountered the word "Xocai" was in your email. Why do you want to keep it a secret?
Or do you insult so many people in a day, you forget what blogs you commented on. You will have had an email from google Blogger telling you that your comment was held for moderation.
I have received 26 emails with "blogger" in the headers in the last year and 11 with "blogspot". None of them have anything to do with moderation of any blog message I've posted.
You made a clear allegation that I am or was knowingly involved in some kind of illegal business. This is not the case.
I don't think MLM schemes are illegal (although they should be). They are immoral, but there are lots of strictly legal activities that fall outside the bounds of common morality and decency. One of the management skills of MLM scheme promoters is ensuring that their activities are right on the edge of legality without actually breaking laws.
If you now turn your attention to my current business I will bring it to their attention and let their legal department deal with you.
As I don't even know what your last business was I'm at a disadvantage when it comes to commenting about any new business you might be in. Have you joined another pyramid scam?
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:31:34 +0100
Subject: Re: Your comment on my blog
From: Jenny Fletcher
Peter YOU COMMENTED ON MY BLOG and you asked about 'my chocolate business'. Don't add more lies to gross stupidity.
Then you will have no problem giving me a link to the blog and my comment to refresh my memory.
If you are so thick that you really can't remember, then I am not going to help you by explaining how you find out what sites you've visited. Idiots like you don't deserve air to breathe.
No, I don't necessarily remember every web site I ever visit. That is why I am asking you to remind me. Why can't you do that?
On your pathetic little site you refer constantly to all network marketing business as being a 'pyramid scam' and therefore illegal. You can't worm out of it. Or perhaps you are saying you didn't write that?
Please provide a link to anywhere where I have said that all MLM schemes are illegal. In fact, if you go to https://ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/thedream.htm you can see a perfectly legal MLM scheme that I created myself.
26 emails ? Is that 26 instances of accusing legitimate business owners of being criminals?
No, it is exactly what I said. Emails that had "blogger" somewhere in the headers.
Just close down your site and go and sit in the shade. The sun has obviously addled your brain.
Why should I close down my site? It performs a useful service warning people about scams like MLM.
Jenny Fletcher
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:45:50 +0100
Subject: Re: Your comment on my blog
From: Jenny Fletcher
You can look back through your own damn browser history.
How far back. One month? One year? Right back to 1999 when I started this site?
Are you saying you don't recall asking the question?
I have said that several times. Do you have a comprehension problem?
How did you come by the blog in the first place?
Which blog would that be? Why can't you tell me this?
There is no point you going back to my blog. None of the comments you could make will ever appear there. I am not responsible for refreshing your memory.
So I assume that you are lying. Otherwise you could point me to your blog and prove me wrong.
Either network marketing businesses – MLM in your parlance are legal or they are scams. No shades of grey.
I'll say this real slow for the hard of thinking – all MLM schemes are scams, but they are perfectly legal provided that the promoters have been careful enough to avoid infringing the definitions of pyramid schemes in legislation. Did you even bother to look at the LEGAL MLM scheme that I invented. Legal as it can be, backed by a decision of the full bench of the Federal Court of Australia.
You have a list of what you term illegal businesses. If I find Xocai has been added to that list, I will advise their legal department. The fact that I am no longer their distributor is irrelevant here.
I have a list of what I term "scams". I make no comment about legality. As you have mentioned legal action, I will add this to the list of Vacuous Legal Threats at https://ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lawyersahoy.htm.
Don't bother replying to this. Your mail is already directed to spam and from there a filter called 'trolls' will permanently remove it as from today.
I'm prepared to bet money that you will read this. People who announce killfiling almost never really do it. And why would you be frightened of what I have to say anyway? All you have to do is tell me where this apocryphal blog is and prove me wrong.
Oh, and before I forget – if Xocai is a multi-level marketing scheme then it is quite probably legal. Immoral, deceitful, but almost certainly legal. Sad, isn't it?
Jenny Fletcher
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